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Jaebum Lee
Sep 24, 5:14 PM
hi
Steven Diamond
Sep 24, 7:09 PM
testing
Steven Diamond
Sep 24, 7:12 PM
The zoom chatroom URL for office hours is https://zoom.us/j/822453098
Liu Yang
Sep 24, 7:41 PM
Is this the AI course session?
Steven Diamond
Sep 24, 7:43 PM
yes
Steven Diamond
Sep 24, 7:43 PM
can you hear me?
Steven Diamond
Sep 24, 7:55 PM
Hi Minjun, join the zoom chat so we can talk.
Minjun Ma
Sep 24, 7:55 PM
sure
Minjun Ma
Sep 24, 7:55 PM
where's zoom chat?
Minjun Ma
Sep 24, 7:56 PM
Do you have a zoom meeting link?
Steven Diamond
Sep 24, 7:58 PM
Yes https://stanford.zoom.us/j/536521242
Minjun Ma
Sep 24, 7:59 PM
connecting
William Bakst
Sep 25, 1:11 PM
Danny where are you?
Alexander Fu
Sep 25, 1:23 PM
Hi Mariam, can you tell me where are you?
Alexander Fu
Sep 25, 1:27 PM
Mariam, I can't find you right now. I am currently at the standing table in the middle of the room.
Daniel Selsam
Sep 25, 3:07 PM
I just opened the queue. In general, click 'manage' and then click 'Click to Open' on the top of the screen to open it.
Chinmayee Shah
Sep 25, 3:56 PM
Anita, you're up next. Can you come over to the whiteboard?
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:47 PM
I am sorry, I saw this late. I am still learning how to use all the Stanford interfaces/tools. I'll try again tomorrow
Yongshang Wu
Sep 25, 7:49 PM
Hi Anita, where are you?
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:49 PM
I guess I am confused. I have Zoom installed, I probaby need to find the right meeting invite
Yongshang Wu
Sep 25, 7:50 PM
Are you in Huang right now? I can help you if you come to the whiteboard.
Yongshang Wu
Sep 25, 7:51 PM
Oh, if you intend to attend an online OH, you can join the online queue: https://queuestatus.com/queues/253
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:51 PM
yes
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:51 PM
that's what I am looking for
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:52 PM
so the online OH is closed for now
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:52 PM
I will look for the next session
Yongshang Wu
Sep 25, 7:53 PM
yeah I think the online OH is held on Monday & Sunday only, i guess we will add more in the future.
Anita Lacea
Sep 25, 7:53 PM
ok, thank you for your help!
Chang Liu
Sep 25, 9:29 PM
hi
Chang Liu
Sep 25, 9:30 PM
Can SCPD students go to on-campus office hour?
Yongshang Wu
Sep 25, 9:59 PM
Hi Chang, sure, feel free to come in person!
Daniel Selsam
Sep 26, 4:16 PM
Hi Amanda, are you in Huang?
Vivekkumar Patel
Sep 27, 11:13 AM
Hi Manav, are you in Huang?
Vivekkumar Patel
Sep 27, 12:00 PM
Hi Sarah, are you in Huang?
Stephanie Dong
Sep 27, 1:08 PM
Hi Sarah, where are you sitting?
William Bakst
Sep 27, 1:57 PM
Shubhang, where are you sitting?
Stephanie Dong
Sep 27, 3:17 PM
Hi Shubhang, where are you sitting?
Stephanie Dong
Sep 27, 3:17 PM
Stephanie Dong
Sep 27, 3:19 PM
Hi Sejal, where are you sitting?
Sejal Jhawer
Sep 27, 3:28 PM
Hi, I'm sitting by the exit
Sejal Jhawer
Sep 27, 3:28 PM
Near the windows
Yongshang Wu
Sep 27, 7:03 PM
hi Sarah, are you in Huang?
Yongshang Wu
Sep 27, 7:05 PM
ping ping @Sarah
Sarah Tran
Sep 27, 8:02 PM
i'm near the 221 board
Yongshang Wu
Sep 27, 8:03 PM
can you please raise your hand?
Brian Zeng
Sep 28, 10:53 AM
Where do we meet the CAs
Jaebum Lee
Sep 28, 3:36 PM
I think I accidentally removed someone from queue
Jaebum Lee
Sep 28, 3:36 PM
so if you think you are one then let me know
Esther Goldstein
Oct 1, 10:13 AM
Aaron where are you sitting?
Aaron Effron
Oct 1, 11:12 AM
Sizhu are you in Huang?
Sizhu Cheng
Oct 1, 11:24 AM
yes! i'm sitting next to Hive
Abhishek Roushan
Oct 1, 3:34 PM
where are the TA's sitting in the basement ?
Kaushik Ram Sadagopan
Oct 1, 3:38 PM
I'm using this for this first time. So I should sign up on queue if I'm coming to the office hours in person, and wait till my box becomes red? And it says 1hr 42min by which the office hours end, so what should I do?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 1, 3:40 PM
hi madison where are you
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 1, 3:44 PM
henry where are you?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 1, 4:18 PM
fisayo where are you?
Amanda Jacquez
Oct 1, 4:31 PM
wait i never got called
Amanda Jacquez
Oct 1, 4:32 PM
or i didnt hear it but im here lol
Elias Andrew
Oct 1, 7:06 PM
Hi are there office hours now?
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 2, 10:19 AM
Hi Anjini, could you please rejoin the queue at the end?
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 2, 11:50 AM
Hi Philip, are you in huang?
Fisayo Omilana
Oct 2, 1:03 PM
i thought this was going to be packed and randomized like yesterday, you can remove me.
Fisayo Omilana
Oct 2, 1:03 PM
i am not there yet
Alexander Fu
Oct 2, 1:06 PM
Alvin, Where are you?
Oishi Banerjee
Oct 2, 1:09 PM
Hi Alexander, where are you?
Alexander Fu
Oct 2, 2:56 PM
Megumi, where are you?
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 2, 3:00 PM
is the queue refreshed at 3 pm?
Alexander Fu
Oct 2, 3:01 PM
CA for next OH will reopen if they think they can finish the queue
Alexander Fu
Oct 2, 3:14 PM
Thapelo where are you?
Oishi Banerjee
Oct 2, 3:36 PM
I am now on the grey couch by the Stanford engineering heroes wall!
ES Jo
Oct 2, 4:21 PM
rohan is taking ES Jo's spot
Rohan Aras
Oct 2, 4:26 PM
(we have the same questions)
Rohan Aras
Oct 2, 4:53 PM
did you skip us on purpose?
Vivian Wong
Oct 2, 4:56 PM
I second Rohan. Why was ES Jo skipped...
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 2, 5:00 PM
Nick are you still here?
Ajay Sohmshetty
Oct 2, 5:03 PM
Levi, I couldn't find you
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 2, 5:07 PM
hi
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 2, 5:07 PM
nicholas
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 2, 5:07 PM
still here
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 2, 5:07 PM
wearing a polo shirt covered in country flags (navy blue background)
Kimberly Te
Oct 2, 5:22 PM
Hi, I moved from near ICM area to the tables near the TCP Office
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 2, 6:15 PM
Kevin are you still here?
Kimberly Te
Oct 2, 7:10 PM
Hi was I skipped?
Joshua Ochakovsky
Oct 2, 7:15 PM
I'm marked as in process with yongshang but not sure where to go, i'm close-ish to the whiteboard that says 221 OH wearing a white t-shirt with gray sleeves
Richard Hsieh
Oct 2, 7:24 PM
Did someone call me earlier? I don't see my name in the queue anymore but didn't get to talk to any TA :(
Michelle Li
Oct 2, 7:40 PM
Same as Richard, I keep getting skipped.
Yongshang Wu
Oct 2, 7:41 PM
Hi Richard, if you sign up before 7pm you need to rejoin the queue after it's reopened
Yongshang Wu
Oct 2, 7:43 PM
Hi Nick, where are you?
Nick Landy
Oct 2, 7:50 PM
Yongshang, I am in Huang basement near the whiteboard with the queuestatus urls.
Yongshang Wu
Oct 2, 7:57 PM
Hi Jonathan, where are you sitting?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 3, 11:41 AM
anjini?
Daniel Selsam
Oct 3, 3:26 PM
Anjini, where are you more precisely?
Zhangyuan Wang
Oct 3, 4:31 PM
john?
Greg Soh
Oct 3, 5:14 PM
Nathan where are you again?
Greg Soh
Oct 3, 5:27 PM
Where are you Gustavo Torres da Silva?
Greg Soh
Oct 3, 5:29 PM
Abigail where are you?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 3, 5:39 PM
I'm in huang basement
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 3, 5:39 PM
at a table near the whiteboard that has 221 Oh written at the top
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 3, 5:39 PM
wearing glasses
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 3, 5:40 PM
where are you?
Richard Hsieh
Oct 3, 6:19 PM
Did I just get skipped in the line? I was up next and now am at 2
Richard Diehl Martinez
Oct 3, 6:27 PM
James wya?
Richard Diehl Martinez
Oct 3, 6:28 PM
how about Kaushik
James Thieu
Oct 3, 6:31 PM
I'm here
James Thieu
Oct 3, 6:31 PM
By the green board in the center
James Thieu
Oct 3, 6:33 PM
It's near the board with all the queuestatus things
Anjini Karthik
Oct 3, 6:52 PM
Where is the TA?
Anjini Karthik
Oct 3, 6:53 PM
It says I'm "in process" but I don't see anyone haha
Amita Kamath
Oct 3, 6:57 PM
Hi Anjini, where are you?
Anjini Karthik
Oct 3, 6:59 PM
I'm by window
Anjini Karthik
Oct 3, 6:59 PM
*by the window
Amita Kamath
Oct 3, 7:22 PM
Hi Kaushik, where are you exactly?
Amita Kamath
Oct 3, 7:27 PM
Kaushik, I can't find you, could you let me know where you are in Huang?
Amita Kamath
Oct 3, 7:30 PM
Hi Arsh, where are you?
Amita Kamath
Oct 3, 7:35 PM
Hi Reinaldo, where are you exactly?
Amita Kamath
Oct 3, 7:41 PM
If anyone in the queue before Michelle Li is here, please ping.
Hasna Rtabi
Oct 3, 7:55 PM
Amita I'm in the middle of the room
Zhangyuan Wang
Oct 4, 2:58 PM
danny?
Amita Kamath
Oct 5, 2:53 PM
Kevin Tran, where are you?
Ajay Sohmshetty
Oct 5, 3:42 PM
Hi Michelle, I wasn't able to find you
Amita Kamath
Oct 5, 3:55 PM
Sahil, where are you?
Angelica Willis
Oct 8, 3:03 PM
Where are the Group Office Hours?
Richard Diehl Martinez
Oct 8, 3:27 PM
Austin wya?
Kaushik Ram Sadagopan
Oct 8, 5:02 PM
Where are you, Steven?
Brian Chan
Oct 8, 5:04 PM
Hi, i'm actually sitting by the table next to stanford engineering heroes
Kaushik Ram Sadagopan
Oct 8, 5:29 PM
Is the OH functional now? I'm still waiting here.
Kaushik Ram Sadagopan
Oct 8, 5:29 PM
Is the OH functional now?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 8, 6:23 PM
I'm going to clear the queue now, there will be online OH (Priority to SCPD students) at 7pm today
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 9, 11:02 AM
Hey Ben Gaiarin, are you in huang?
Anand Dhoot
Oct 9, 11:31 AM
Hey Jonathan, are you in Huang?
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 9, 1:09 PM
Hey William, where are you?
Alexander Fu
Oct 9, 1:21 PM
hey Jayden, where are you?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 9, 1:30 PM
why is the queue closed right now?
Maya Ziv
Oct 9, 1:32 PM
^
Amy Chen
Oct 9, 1:56 PM
hi why is the queue closed
Amy Chen
Oct 9, 1:56 PM
:c
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 9, 2:01 PM
^
Alexander Fu
Oct 9, 2:54 PM
Nikita, where are you?
Vivian Wong
Oct 9, 3:31 PM
am I supposed to be served? I don't hear anyone calling my name :( im in white. sitting near the window. with a big red water bottle.
Alexander Fu
Oct 9, 3:31 PM
Kevin, where are you?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 9, 4:30 PM
why is the queue still closed? I haven't had a chance to sign up all day
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 5:03 PM
otherwise we will skip over you for now
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 5:04 PM
^If you are in positions 1-7 please confirm you are still here
Kaushik Ram Sadagopan
Oct 9, 5:44 PM
I am on 12, will I get a turn?
Brian Chan
Oct 9, 6:07 PM
anybody further up the queue looking to get help for 2e and wouldnt mind if i listened in?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 6:18 PM
Kaushik are you here?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 6:19 PM
Michelle are you here?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 6:20 PM
Omar are you here?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 6:49 PM
Alvin, Kevin, Shai, or Fatma, are you here?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 9, 6:50 PM
Caitlin, Avoy, are you here?
Yongshang Wu
Oct 9, 7:16 PM
Alvin, where are you?
Yongshang Wu
Oct 9, 7:20 PM
Kevin, are you still here?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 10, 10:07 AM
kevin?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 10, 11:06 AM
nathan?
Nathan Traxler
Oct 10, 11:13 AM
I apologize I meant in front of NVIDIA
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 10, 11:18 AM
ok
Lydia Stone
Oct 10, 2:56 PM
when's this queue open?
Anvita Gupta
Oct 10, 4:20 PM
benjamin?
Zhangyuan Wang
Oct 10, 4:36 PM
yue?
Anvita Gupta
Oct 10, 4:54 PM
brian?
Richard Diehl Martinez
Oct 10, 5:47 PM
omar????
Greg Soh
Oct 10, 5:52 PM
jonathan where r u?
Greg Soh
Oct 10, 5:57 PM
Mikhail where are you?
Jonathan Fisher
Oct 10, 5:57 PM
I can't find you Greg
Brian Chan
Oct 10, 6:46 PM
hi ill be there in a few minutes!
Greg Soh
Oct 10, 6:55 PM
Brian are you coming?
Brian Chan
Oct 10, 6:56 PM
yes im here
Amita Kamath
Oct 10, 6:59 PM
Online OH link is https://stanford.zoom.us/j/164339125
John Alsterda
Oct 10, 7:28 PM
FYI John Alsterda is still here by the clear marker boards on the wall with the pixel art.
Niraj Jayant
Oct 11, 10:19 AM
Hi, is it possible to do another Online OH link?
Anand Dhoot
Oct 11, 10:26 AM
Sure, please join zoom meeting ID: 159 024 912 ?
Niraj Jayant
Oct 11, 10:26 AM
Hi Anand - can I do a video call with you?
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 11, 11:18 AM
Hi Chaitanya
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 11, 11:18 AM
Are you available?
Chaitanya Kanitkar
Oct 11, 11:18 AM
hi
Chaitanya Kanitkar
Oct 11, 11:18 AM
yes i am
Chaitanya Kanitkar
Oct 11, 11:18 AM
what is the zoom link
Chaitanya Kanitkar
Oct 11, 11:18 AM
it says its invalid
Chaitanya Kanitkar
Oct 11, 11:19 AM
hi
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 11, 11:19 AM
https://zoom.us/j/2865684149
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 11, 11:20 AM
can you join this?
Kate S
Oct 11, 1:39 PM
I moved to the couches by ICME
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 11, 2:33 PM
wait I'm on my way to huang!! can I please still get help?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 11, 2:33 PM
sorry I was caught up with something but I'll be there very soon
Amita Kamath
Oct 11, 2:34 PM
Hi Omar, where are you?
Amita Kamath
Oct 11, 2:36 PM
Cassandra, where are you?
Amita Kamath
Oct 11, 2:51 PM
Hi Julea, where are you?
Stephanie Dong
Oct 11, 3:08 PM
Hi Cassandra, where are you?
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 11, 3:09 PM
why am I being skipped?
Nicholas Barbier
Oct 11, 3:10 PM
I'm second in the queue and both people after me are being served
Kim Ngo
Oct 11, 3:34 PM
I'm "in process" but there's no TA to help
Stephanie Dong
Oct 11, 4:17 PM
Hi Mauricio where are you?
Robert Fernandez
Oct 12, 12:08 PM
brb 5 minutes
Robert Fernandez
Oct 12, 12:13 PM
back!
Nikita Demir
Oct 12, 3:33 PM
hi not sure how to unsign up but I don't need help anymore. Thanks!
Ajay Sohmshetty
Oct 12, 3:41 PM
Okay - thanks for letting us know.
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 12, 4:05 PM
hey ryan i dont know where hive is
Aaron Effron
Oct 15, 10:01 AM
Anjini will come back to you
Rohan Aras
Oct 15, 10:09 AM
Is there a way to mark the fact that I want to talk to a specific TA (Jacob) or is this good enough? I'm trying to get a problem regraded
Aaron Effron
Oct 15, 11:27 AM
Austin I couldn't find you. I'm wearing a blue t shirt and black pants, feel free to find me and I'll serve you
Anvita Gupta
Oct 15, 3:12 PM
For people at the end of the queue, group OH in Gates 219 are pretty empty right now! You can come get your questions answered more quickly :)
Cedric Fraces
Oct 15, 3:44 PM
Cedric
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 15, 3:45 PM
kaavya?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 15, 4:01 PM
kent?
Brian Chan
Oct 15, 4:25 PM
hi, going to get some water, will be right back
Austin Chow
Oct 15, 4:40 PM
@ steven will be back in 10min
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 15, 4:46 PM
chase?
Yianni Laloudakis
Oct 15, 4:55 PM
ryan?
Anand Dhoot
Oct 16, 10:10 AM
Magdy, where are you in Huang?
Benjamin Petit
Oct 16, 10:46 AM
Tristan, Sophia and Kimberly, are you in Huang?
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 16, 11:43 AM
Hi Abigail Zuckerman, are you in huang?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 16, 12:01 PM
hi unfortunately I had to leave huang and missed my spot
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 16, 12:01 PM
if i come back now could i still get it or are you leaving soon/
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 16, 12:01 PM
soon?*
Anjini Karthik
Oct 16, 1:05 PM
Hi, I'm unable to remove myself from the queue to re-sign up and TAs couldn't remove me either
Anjini Karthik
Oct 16, 1:05 PM
Can I be helped after Oishi please?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 16, 1:15 PM
are there ta's going through the queue or not? it's not moving at all
Nikita Demir
Oct 16, 1:28 PM
Hi I'm here not sure if there are more TA's now or not
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 1:54 PM
Anjini, where are you?
Anjini Karthik
Oct 16, 2:10 PM
back by white board
Anjini Karthik
Oct 16, 2:10 PM
sorry I just saw this message!
Anjini Karthik
Oct 16, 2:20 PM
Where are you?
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 2:21 PM
I am in front of the white board
Megha Srivastava
Oct 16, 2:23 PM
@ fisayo are you here?
Fisayo Omilana
Oct 16, 2:23 PM
i just moved to the table in front of the couches
Fisayo Omilana
Oct 16, 2:23 PM
i will raise my hand
Megha Srivastava
Oct 16, 2:32 PM
@omar where are you?
Guy Wuollet
Oct 16, 2:48 PM
Why is the queue closed?
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 2:53 PM
Collen, where are you?
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 2:58 PM
Abigail, where are you?
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 2:59 PM
Amy, are you still here?
Michael Cooper
Oct 16, 3:06 PM
Can the queue be opened please?
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 16, 3:08 PM
I'm by the whiteboard
Abigail Zuckerman
Oct 16, 3:08 PM
wearing glasses
Sonja Johnson-Yu
Oct 16, 3:09 PM
Seconded, could someone please open the queue? Thanks!
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 3:26 PM
Maya, are you still here?
Alexander Fu
Oct 16, 3:28 PM
Avoy, where are you?
Maya Ziv
Oct 16, 3:30 PM
Hi Im here
Maya Ziv
Oct 16, 3:30 PM
im here
Maya Ziv
Oct 16, 3:30 PM
aaaa
Richard Lin
Oct 16, 3:30 PM
Maya is here
Maya Ziv
Oct 16, 3:30 PM
Im at the tables by icme
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 16, 5:03 PM
Julia are you here?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 16, 5:09 PM
Anjini are you here?
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 16, 5:10 PM
Emma are you here?
Kim Ngo
Oct 16, 5:55 PM
Ajay? Can't find you?
Ajay Sohmshetty
Oct 16, 5:59 PM
I couldn't find you Kim - which corner by the stairs are you at?
Kim Ngo
Oct 16, 6:01 PM
The one by the hive
Kim Ngo
Oct 16, 6:03 PM
I'm also near the tall tables which are more center to the room
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 16, 6:04 PM
Xingxing, are you still here?
Kim Ngo
Oct 16, 6:28 PM
ping
Sudarshan Seshadri
Oct 16, 6:55 PM
Fatma, Kevin, Reinaldo, are you still here?
Kevin Tran
Oct 16, 6:56 PM
yeah
Fatma Tlili
Oct 16, 7:14 PM
yea
Fatma Tlili
Oct 16, 7:14 PM
Reinaldo Perez
Oct 16, 7:16 PM
yes im here
Reinaldo Perez
Oct 16, 7:16 PM
im sitting in one of the high tables
Yongshang Wu
Oct 16, 7:24 PM
Krisha, are you still here?
Yongshang Wu
Oct 16, 7:28 PM
krisha or Yipeng, there are too many people outside nvidia, are you still there?
Yongshang Wu
Oct 16, 7:57 PM
Angelica, are you still here?
Lakshmi Manoharan
Oct 16, 8:01 PM
Angelica is near the car near the Makers space
Angelica Willis
Oct 16, 8:07 PM
Yes I am here
Krishna Gorrepati
Oct 16, 8:22 PM
I am still here
Lakshmi Manoharan
Oct 16, 8:26 PM
Hi I am up next and near the Makers space (near the hanging car)
Anvita Gupta
Oct 17, 3:46 PM
olivia?
Daniel Selsam
Oct 17, 4:40 PM
Yue Li -- what is TCP?
Yue Li
Oct 17, 4:41 PM
Technical communications program
Yue Li
Oct 17, 4:41 PM
Near the front of the two double doors
Vivekkumar Patel
Oct 18, 10:31 AM
Hi Emanuel, where are you in huang?
Gaurav Bansal
Oct 19, 11:23 AM
Could it be possible to join online for this 10-12pm Friday Oct 19 office hour?
Andrew Han
Oct 19, 11:34 AM
gaurav, I emailed you regarding your request
Andrew Han
Oct 19, 11:35 AM
my computer is a bit wonky re: online
Gaurav Bansal
Oct 19, 11:36 AM
Ahaa
Gaurav Bansal
Oct 19, 11:45 AM
Hi Andrew, not sure if you got my email. Does online stuff works for any of the other CAs?